r012943

Apps restart from withdrawal

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Hello, 

When processing a restart from withdrawal for Apps, what TNP should be entered on the restarted programme aim? Would this be the TNP as at beginning of the programme in the same way we'd do this for a BIL returner?

And should we return the original start date?

Thanks very much for any help

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Ruth Canham-James

Hello. It depends whether it was a temp withdrawal, or a full withdrawal.

If it was a full withdrawal, the price would be the newly negotiated price. That's limited to the band maximum minus the funding already received for that same standard or framework/pathway in the past. You record it with the restart indicator, but not an original start date.

A restart after a temp withdrawal has the same price as the original enrolment that is still reported as tempt withdrawal, is marked as a restart and has an original start date.

r012943

Hi Ruth, 

Thank you for that - I'm referring to learners returning from full withdrawal.

And that's interesting as what you say is exactly what I thought. However, we returned this learner for R04 and the funding just hasn't calculated correctly at all. The original TNP was £3,000 and they were BIL at point of withdrawal in 2019/20 - therefore, £2,400 claimed. We have returned with the £600 remaining price with November restart date and have used restart indicator. However, the learner is showing "Price amount remaining (with upper limit applied) at start of this episode" as -£1,800? And is therefore showing with negative funding in the indicative earnings?

I therefore had the feeling that perhaps the system is assuming the £600 price should apply for the whole programme, and is saying we've already had £2,400, and is therefore saying they need £1,800 back from us?

Any further help would be brilliant. 

Thanks again

Ruth Canham-James

Are you saying the apprentice withdrew after (or close to) their Planned End Date, so you'd had all the On Programme Payments of £2,400? I've never had a minus figure in the Price Amount Remaining column of the Apps Indicative report, so I don't know what has caused that. I don't pay much attention to that report anyway, I tend to wait for the month end Apps Monthly Payment Report. It'll be interesting to see what was in there.

Sounds like you should have the original enrolment, coded as £3k, and set as withdrawn some time close to the PED. You then have a new enrolment with a new start date and planned end date (presumably very short since they were nearly done?), with a price of £600?

r012943

Hi Ruth, 

Yes, that is exactly the case - I'll have a look at the learner in the period end report as you say just to see what they look like in there. 

But I'm confident that it's all coded correctly, so I'm guessing the indicative report will show such learners incorrectly. 

Thanks again

r012943

Hello

Just to give an update on this, but I raised with the ESFA and they have advised that we should record the original TNP when a learner restarts from withdrawal with same employer - not the newly negotiated price for the remainder of delivery. 

Therefore, same as a returner from BIL really other than not returning the original learning start date. 

Thanks