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Created 07 September 2021 15:58
P169 of the funding rules could you confirm if this relates solely to Employer providers or does this also relates to subcontractors? I just want to clarify do we need to deliver a "substantial" element of delivery with learners that are with subcontractors?
Sanity check please.
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169 applies to Main providers directly delivering training or on-programme assessment.
Similar in Employer Provider rules as below:
EP175 You must directly deliver some of the apprenticeship training and / or on-programme assessment associated with each employer’s apprenticeship programme. By apprenticeship programme we mean all of the apprentices that you have been contracted to deliver training to, on behalf of any one employer, irrespective of occupational area, standard or level. The volume of training and / or on programme assessment that you directly deliver must have some substance and must not be a token amount to satisfy this rule. It must not be limited to a brief input at the start of each employer’s programme or involve delivery to just a few of a large number of apprentices. It does not include simply delivering maths and English or aspects of the apprenticeship which all apprentices must have, such as safeguarding, British values, or target setting
07 September 2021 16:11
Just to confirm as there were two questions that yes could apply to.
Yes we need to deliver substantial delivery to learners that have been subcontracted out?
Yes this only applies to employer providers and our direct delivery learners?
Sorry I just want to be absolutely straight in my mind.
08 September 2021 07:02
Assume you are delivering Apprenticeships.
Subcontracting rules apply to all Providers, you have implied you are an Employer Provider and if so you should follow the guidance in the Employer Provider rules that apply.
To be clear it does not say “substantial delivery” but that “the volume of training and / or on programme assessment that you directly deliver must have some substance and must not be a token amount to satisfy this rule”.
See the guidance in the following document:
08 September 2021 07:33