caroline murphy

Functional Skills Level 2

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With return of requirement for level 2 apprentices to progress to level 2 functional skills and take assessments does this mean they must do all components in English? 

If learner fails a component eg writing and is unlikely to pass others do they still have to do all 3?

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Steveh

Yes, it always did, so we're just back to the status quo now.

Kelly Knights

L2 learners have only ever had to attempt it, not pass. So if they fail two elements wouldnt that be a fail overall?

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Steveh

Yeah, we had these discussions a few years back (now lost in the ether with the rest of FEConnect) and the agency was clear it was All Of The Elements that they had to attempt.

Simon Liversedge

We asked a very large EPAO this question and they said only attempt one element. 

I was looking for an answer on this but relating to frameworks, it should be the same rule regardless shouldn't it?

 

 

caroline murphy

If a learner fails 1 component then cannot pass English but it used to state had to attempt all 3- this is not logical.  Our EPA only needs evidence failed 1 component but they are not applying funding rules.

Simon Liversedge

Agree Caroline, if they have failed one then they can't pass so it would be crazy to force them to sit other elements knowing they won't pass

Steveh

OK, here's the argument:

It is likely that a good number of learners on an L2 App will go on to study an L3 App, at which point they will *have* to do L2 anyway, so if they've passed one bit of it already, then they can focus on the other bits whilst they do their L3 App.

I'm not saying that I necessarily agree (or that this is any sort of "official" line!), but I'm pretty sure this is the intent of the rule.

Simon Liversedge

I can understand that but for the ones who are being held up doing EPA as they have to sit a test they have not chance of passing anyway its not an easy one to swallow and its resulting in OOFs and learners refusing to sit any more unnecessary tests.

Martin West

I agree with Steveh on this as the wording in the funding rules is: ‘study towards and take the assessments for level 2 qualifications in these subjects’ so it is simple as assessments is plural, so one will not do.

Steveh

Was confirmed by Simon Ashworth on his AELP webinar on Monday as well.

Simon Liversedge

We asked 10 EPAOs that we work with and 9 said they would accept one element only one said all of them, not had chance to catch up yet on the AELP one but its in my to do list

Martin West

Do not take any notice of the EPAO who have told you that as it is you the Training Provider that must have complied with the funding rules at Audit.