Ruth Canham-James

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Ruth Canham-James commented,

My question to ESFA was definitely talking about same provider. I just think they were wrong. It still needs adding to the rules properly. Thanks for confirming!

My question to ESFA was definitely talking about same provider. I just think they were wrong. It still needs adding to the rules properly. Thanks for confirming!

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Hello, I wanted to bring this up again. Back in Dec 2019, I asked the service desk about this, and they said; I have received confirmation that the remaining off the job training would need to be entered in the 'Planned Hours' field for a restart apprenticeship. Apologies for the confusion in relation to the funding rules. Our technical team are currently working on the provider support manual to have this added. It's still not explicitly in any of the rules, and I'm still not 100% sure on what we should be doing. This contradicts what you said Martin West. The guidance you've quoted says "programme", but it doesn't say whether a restart after a really long gap is considered the same programme. I do actually think it would be better to record the original Planned OTJ as you've said, because you could actually get away with under-delivering OTJ if you didn't. Say if there was only 6 months left when they originally withdrew from a 24 month apprenticeship, and the Planned OTJ had been 800, and they'd completed 600 as they were on track. If we restart them two years later, and we record the OTJ as 800 again, we technically only need to achieve a further 200? They may have been given a new duration of a whole 12 months as they have forgotten stuff, so we'd actually recommend a further 400 on the commitment statement. If we recorded 800 planned OTJ, we'd then end up with 1,000 Actual OTJ if we tie them together, but that involves digging out some really old evidence. If I slightly change that, and say they were behind on the old apprenticeship and had only done 500 hours, as they were behind. This time, when we restart, they only need the remaining 6 months. If we recorded that as just 200 hours for the restart, even if we could evidence the 200, we'd be short on the overall hours for the full duration. So, I do think recording the 800 again is right. It's a lot trickier if there's been a big gap, as we need to make sure we spot this and dig out the original planned OTJ and actual OTJ records. Anyone else got any thoughts on this, or advice from ESFA? When it's a transfer in from another provider, presumably we can't use their original Planned OTJ, and just record the OTJ planned with us?

Hello, I wanted to bring this up again. Back in Dec 2019, I asked the service desk about this, and they said; I have received confirmation that the remaining off the job training would need to be ...