Ruth Canham-James
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Ruth Canham-James commented,
Hello, Provider Support Manual - How to record changes to the apprenticeship - Transfers to a different provider on the same or a different apprenticeship Basically, treat them almost exactly like a new start, reducing price based on prior KSB, and Planned OTJ based on duration with you, but just make sure you record as a Restart in the ILR (no Original Start Date). Also, watch out you don't get capped if your price, plus the amount received by the first provider, exceeds band maximum. That's sometimes easier said than done.
Hello, Provider Support Manual - How to record changes to the apprenticeship - Transfers to a different provider on the same or a different apprenticeship Basically, treat them almost exactly like ...

Ruth Canham-James commented,
I don't really have an answer, but that's very odd! Other countries issue passports with just a blank surname/family name. We usually have a handful every year. After asking ESFA some years ago, we agreed I'd just record a hyphen in the surname. There's no official ILR guidance on that though. ESFA's first suggestion was to enter their forename again, or part of their forename, but our International team had strong objections to that, as our data has to exactly match the passport details for UKBA reasons. Interestingly, I was just reading that, where a British passport holder has just one name, they usually put that in the surname, and set the forename to XXX. I think from an ILR point of view, it doesn't matter if you enter X or -, as both indicate there isn't a name, so maybe let the student decide?
I don't really have an answer, but that's very odd! Other countries issue passports with just a blank surname/family name. We usually have a handful every year. After asking ESFA some years ago, we...

Ruth Canham-James commented,
My question to ESFA was definitely talking about same provider. I just think they were wrong. It still needs adding to the rules properly. Thanks for confirming!
My question to ESFA was definitely talking about same provider. I just think they were wrong. It still needs adding to the rules properly. Thanks for confirming!

Ruth Canham-James commented,
To clarify, I don't have a problem with that if it's the rule, and it would save us having to add more OTJ if we wanted them to carry on a bit longer, so actually makes life easier. We might have a late completion, but that would have happened without a break anyway. We've never given a longer end date specifically to avoid a late completion, there was always a genuine reason.
To clarify, I don't have a problem with that if it's the rule, and it would save us having to add more OTJ if we wanted them to carry on a bit longer, so actually makes life easier. We might have a...

Ruth Canham-James commented,
My view is, if the intent is that the PED extension must always be exactly the same duration as the break, that should be stated explicitly in the rules. Currently, it's just implied, but if that's what they want, they should be using words like "must", and it should be in the PSM in the bit about restarts. I know for sure that we're not the only provider that hasn't always extended by exactly the duration of the break, and it's not even always to extend, but sometimes shorten.
My view is, if the intent is that the PED extension must always be exactly the same duration as the break, that should be stated explicitly in the rules. Currently, it's just implied, but if that's...

Ruth Canham-James commented,
If she just wants to fully quit the job, and not extend as Martin suggests, you could withdraw, then re-enrol on a classroom based version of the same qualification. You couldn't do the standard though. We've done that before now. If they're 16-18, make sure you only record the hours they're really going to do as part of the non-apprenticeship enrolment. If they're AEB funded on the non-apprenticeship qual, make sure you adjust the funding down to what percentage they have left.
If she just wants to fully quit the job, and not extend as Martin suggests, you could withdraw, then re-enrol on a classroom based version of the same qualification. You couldn't do the standard th...

Ruth Canham-James commented,
Gary Salisbury There's an injustice there though isn't there?, the student aiming for HND who doesn't EPA becomes a non achiever, a peer who dropped out early with HNC a partial achiever. That wouldn't happen. If you had an apprentice who was on an HND, and they didn't pass the HND but did do enough for the HNC, then didn't sit the EPA, the programme aim (the standard) would be a withdrawal, and the HND aim would be a partial achievement, and you'd claim the HNC for the learner. That is exactly the same as the peer who dropped out earlier.
Gary Salisbury There's an injustice there though isn't there?, the student aiming for HND who doesn't EPA becomes a non achiever, a peer who dropped out early with HNC a partial achiever. That ...

Ruth Canham-James commented,
Gary Salisbury If it was a degree apprenticeship, they'd still get the degree if they passed that bit, but they can't have the Standard if they didn't even attempt the EPA. You need to think of the Standard as a whole separate qualification in itself that requires assessment, it's not like a Framework that was just a sum of its parts. The trouble we have, is that employers and students don't always see the Standard that way, and don't care about passing it once they have the mandatory qualification within it.
Gary Salisbury If it was a degree apprenticeship, they'd still get the degree if they passed that bit, but they can't have the Standard if they didn't even attempt the EPA. You need to think of the...

Ruth Canham-James commented,
We apply the same rules. I understand your point, but you'd have to have some evidence for an auditor. Also, you don't have to extended the end date by exactly the same duration as the break. As long as the overall duration of both periods hits the minimum duration, it's allowable. If your original duration was only 12 months, then you'd have to extend by the full duration of the break. You'd need to recalculate minimum OTJ, but hopefully you'd meet the original plan regardless, since they'll still be doing all the planned blocks in the end.
We apply the same rules. I understand your point, but you'd have to have some evidence for an auditor. Also, you don't have to extended the end date by exactly the same duration as the break. As lo...