Karen Fone
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Karen Fone commented,
Hi Martin That is what we would do. Where a learner has completed but failed EPA we would code as 2:3 and add the completion date as the last date of EPA. If the learner then goes on to resit and then achieves we would update to show as a 2:1. (The ESFA confirmed that the completion date would not be altered from the one originally entered). Where a learner needs to Retake - goes back into learning, we would code the failed EPA as a 2:3 and add a completion date of the final date of EPA, we would then add new aims with a restart indicator, set the new period of learning. Any funding that is remaining, and then follow the process to go back into gateway. Karen
Hi Martin That is what we would do. Where a learner has completed but failed EPA we would code as 2:3 and add the completion date as the last date of EPA. If the learner then goes on to resit and ...
Karen Fone commented,
I wanted to add to this thread as I too have been in touch with the ESFA helpdesk, and received the below: If a learner fails EPA and achieves on resit only, then the outcome only can be amended to show that they have now achieved. No other fields are to be amended and a new aim is not required. If further learning has been identified for the learner before their retake, then a new aim is required as a restart with a funding adjustment . The new aim is recorded this way so that any further funding due can be paid before the retake. Please see the link below regarding outcomes:- https://guidance.submit-learner-data.service.gov.uk/previous/20-21/psm/article/recording-learning-outcomes (Recording retakes and resits) So......... this is saying that only the outcome is changed and no date changes for resits, and for retakes we DO have to add a new learning aim, (which goes against what Martin had said?). I have responded to the helpdesk and asked if they can look at this thread and get a definitive answer for all providers. Karen
I wanted to add to this thread as I too have been in touch with the ESFA helpdesk, and received the below: If a learner fails EPA and achieves on resit only, then the outcome only can be amended ...
Karen Fone commented,
Hi Steve, Exactly my thoughts, and this has not been picked up or highlighted as a major change.
Hi Steve, Exactly my thoughts, and this has not been picked up or highlighted as a major change.
Karen Fone commented,
Hi Martin, That is the way i read it too, but I do not understand why it makes a difference as to where the apprentice would be 'sitting' to do the same job for the same company? Why does the individual have to physically sitting at a desk in England to be eligible, or could be doing exactly the same job for the same company but sitting at a desk in another house across the road and be in Wales and be ineligible? These are the types of questions I am asked from employers, and want to be able to answer the questions.
Hi Martin, That is the way i read it too, but I do not understand why it makes a difference as to where the apprentice would be 'sitting' to do the same job for the same company? Why does the indiv...
Karen Fone commented,
Has anyone else noticed that the section in the Funding Rules for 2021/22 around Residency Eligibility and particularly family members of UK and EEA nationals no longer has any reference to the Principal, and states the following: A 'family member' is the husband, wife, civil partner, child, grandchild, dependent parent or grandparent of a UK or EEA national.A family member is eligible for funding if they: where required to do so, have obtained pre settled or settle status under the EU settlement scheme and have been ordinarily resident in the UK or EEA for at least the previous three years on the first day of learning. I would have thought that this could have some significant impact on learners who would have been eligible in 2020/21 and will no longer be in 2021/22 - unless I am missing something?
Has anyone else noticed that the section in the Funding Rules for 2021/22 around Residency Eligibility and particularly family members of UK and EEA nationals no longer has any reference to the Pri...